Posts by defender of truth

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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"

by DATA-DOG in

as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.

when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.

this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.

defender of truth

Sarah:"Defender of Truth
Why would God need to publish magazines when all scriptures are from God?"

To aid those with limited time, patience, and Bible understanding to develop a thirst for Gods Word. And, in the case of those who read the Bible, the Watchtower to stimulate thought on Biblical matters that they may otherwise not discuss at the door or with their church group. They are like a bait to draw people in to studying the Bible and coming to an accurate knowledge of God.

"If given by the holy spirit to write then why would they error. It should be the opposite writings with out errors of future prophecy. Written by Holy Slirit would be so fantastic it would compare to the bible."
As pointed out earlier in the thread, gifts of prophesying and infallible direction have ceased (can people please read a topic before replying to it?), all that anyone can do today is try to interpret prophecies in the Bible, not make them. We do not compare the Watchtower to the Bible, Gods Word comes before anything else in terms of importance.

"Where are the evidence the GB or Jehovahs Witnesses are God's choosen(?) They are not written in the bible. Who declares them the air!"

I have already answered the first question earlier in the thread, of course their names are not in the Bible why would they be, and your last sentence makes no sense at all to me. (apologies to Problemaddict for insulting him, I'll try to control my tongue when dealing with nonsensical statements in future).

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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"

by DATA-DOG in

as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.

when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.

this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.

defender of truth

" At what point in the gradual understanding did the blessing take place?
Will there be a CORRECT understanding at some point? "
..There will be a complete understanding, likely in the new system when all prophecies have been fulfilled. God's blessing is evident when we reach the understanding that is in complete harmony with Scripture, and we all usually agree it is better, whereas the previous understanding was not. The light gets brighter.

" Jesus also told his followers not to exalt themselves, so the fact that the leaders of this religion has done so disqualifies them period! "

..The Faithful Slave do not expect any kind of special treatment, they don't walk around expecting people to roll out the red carpet and kiss their ring etc. They are not called Father, Leader or any such titles.

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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"

by DATA-DOG in

as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.

when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.

this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.

defender of truth

" The pastor of my local United Church, just as the Watchtower authors do, humbly admits he provides his own/flawed interpretation of the scriptures. Does he have the truth? "
..Does he dedicate his life to preach to others? Does he believe the Trinity, Hellfire, Immortal Soul etc? Does he use Gods name, Jehovah? If so, why would he not join His organisation? If he claims to have flawed interpretations, even he has no confidence of Gods guidance.

" Just ten years ago we Catholics had the absolute truth, we put all our faith in this. Now the pope and our priests are telling us this is not the way to believe any more, but we are to believe 'new things.' How do I know the 'new things' will be the truth in five years?"Awake!1970 Apr 22 p.8 "

..We do not teach new things when it comes to our core beliefs, we are not suddenly going to say 'okay now we are all going to worship Jesus and the Holy spirit'. We only adjust our understanding to a better one, that will not keep changing, when it comes to doctrines that need clarification but are not a vital aspect of worship. Jehovah can allow our lack of understanding in some matters, he is patient and will act in his own due time.

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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"

by DATA-DOG in

as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.

when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.

this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.

defender of truth

"It would behoove u DOT to research what the GB used to say about organs....many witnesses refused organs because they were told not to Accept them....the GB even spoke of it as cannibalism. How many witnesses do you think died as a result?"
I'll study that, do you have any references I could put into the cd-rom. No apostate sites please..
"Is it HUMBLE to call everything you do truth"
..Where have the Watchtower made such a claim? They are not infallible, just honest truth seekers who follow Jesus as their Leader. You apostates keep trying to put words into their mouths..

" Moses experienced Jehovahs divine and miraculous involvement. He "spoke for God" in a very direct way. The GB has made VERY CLEAR that they are not prophets.....because truely if they were they would be false prophets yes? So they claim no miraculous guidance "

..Agreed. Nobody today is inspired directly by God. So should nobody teach what is found in the Bible? Without a central body of leadership, how could any decision be reached as to how those in Gods organisation should act? (Remember the decision regarding circumcision made by the 1st century body of older men)

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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"

by DATA-DOG in

as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.

when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.

this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.

defender of truth

Problemaddict said:"current understanding of truth". That phrase by and large, is analagous to the word "guess". It is a guess based on what someone THINKS is accurate. "

..Not at all. Is our current understanding of Science and the physical laws of the universe a guess?

" Think for a minute what the phrase "partial truth" really is. Its like saying, I half half of my whole car. Can I drive it? No......I only have half of it. "

..But if only a minor part was missing, and you know where you are going, you could still reach your destination safely. How you made the leap from incomplete to half complete I have no idea.. Then again, I am having trouble following you. You seem a bit unhinged to me.

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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"

by DATA-DOG in

as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.

when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.

this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.

defender of truth

Brainfloss: I have no idea what you mean to accomplish with that list. All of those things are unchristian practices, anyone practicing them unrepentantly is not serving Jehovah in a way acceptable to him. Therefore he has no place among Gods people.
" I heard a member of the G.B give a talk at an international assembly in 1974 .. quote "This is most likley the last convention before armagedden "

..What evidence do you have? No doubt they said this could be the last.

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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"

by DATA-DOG in

as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.

when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.

this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.

defender of truth

'The issue is claiming to have "the truth" about everything'

..The Slave do not claim to know the complete truth on all matters.

"Would you say therefore that the previous understanding was/was not blessed? "

..Of course it wasn't blessed. No imperfect men can do what God wants them to do at all times, mistakes are made

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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"

by DATA-DOG in

as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.

when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.

this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.

defender of truth

galaxie:"The problem they have of course is truth cannot change so by accepting, as they must if they are honest and have sound reasoning, that what they believed as truth has changed (this is a time for honesty) then the only thing they could possibly try to defend is their man made organizations interpretations not truth."
Only the Bible has absolute truth. It is our understanding that can change, prophecy can only be understood as it is being fulfilled for example. Our core beliefs remain unchanged, though, which is further evidence that we have been blessed with gradual understanding.

Problemaddict:" What if they are wrong about something serious...like organs, vaccines, or blood fractions?"
No idea what you mean here. We are allowed those things.

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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"

by DATA-DOG in

as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.

when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.

this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.

defender of truth

"What evidence of their individual appointment do you have?"
Only one organisation carries the name Jehovah and preaches about him worldwide, with increases every year and millions of publications containing his name. He would see to it that they were removed if they were wrongly appointed. That they are in the lead, is evidence in itself.

"Even the FDS doesn't go beyond what the Bible says on a matter.
For example:
beards?
predicting the date for Armageddon (at least) 4 or 5 times?
NO blood vs blood fractions vs hemo-dilution vs auto-logus vs etc etc (yeah, that's all written in the Bible) "

The Bible says to abstain from blood. How you decide to twist/interpret those words is up to you, but they are there in black and white. The FDS didn't make them up. As for beards, nobody is df'd for that, it is a personal decision. And when they predicted possible dates for Armageddon, they were just theories, not held as infallible in the way the Bibles words are. I meant that they don't go beyond the Bible in terms of doctrine.

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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"

by DATA-DOG in

as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.

when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.

this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.

defender of truth

"So you are saying that GOD allows the GB to interpret the Bible, even though it may be wrong.Correct??"
In terms of interpreting prophecy, yes. The adjustments to the Revelation book show that a different understanding may be correct, but Jehovah will allow minor errors until he sees fit to correct them.

" Are you saying the incorrect interpretationof the GB was 'truth?' "
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It was our current understanding of the truth. Nobody has a complete understanding of truth, you cannot expect that of imperfect men.

" Do you believe that it is protection to DF people who bring errors to the attention of the GB or Elders? "
..Who has the right to declare a belief to be wrong, except those appointed by God to do so? The Bibles words can be understood in many ways, as seen in Christendom. If you are declaring yourself to be right above those that God has allowed to be leading the organisation that bears his name, you are placing your eternal life in jeopardy. Read the account of Korah..